
(art (C) Liz Sterling -that’s me- circa 07/24/06)
*Note to Self* Never EVER read comments on a public website pertaining to fat again.
I was reading the F-Word’s post about a Dan Savage article (http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2007/12/06/dan-savage-pot-kettle-black/) and because i seem to have a vendetta against myself, I went to his site, and for some reason read some of the comments.
I just feel appalled. Reading those comments make me ill. To how much people can be assholes and superficial jerks is disgusting.
Just some examples (turn away now if you are easily offended) sorry for reposting them here, but just seeing them in this context shows how the guise of health is shit and how fat is all about looks. (it also show you how much of a bunch of ridiculous assholes these people are, and no one should listen to them)
“Fat people freak me out. “
”Hi. Fat is something you do to yourself and affects your attractiveness to your mate. I can buy into this in some part (I KNOW there are exceptions).
My point: Growing mustaches is also something you do to yourself that affects your attractiveness to your mate. If you don’t find him attractive to you anymore and he refuses to change – your ‘choices’ are clear.
Sorry to be bitchy but I couldn’t resist!!
But really I agreed with your original suggestion. Honesty is the best policy.
And really people – if this is a deciding factor in your committment to the relationship – this kind of thing should be making itself known in the vows or a prenup or something.”“i’m fine with fat people as long as i don’t have to pay their exorbitant health care costs (same thing with smokers). if you’re fat, you shouldn’t get medicare/medicaid. that’d make ‘em work harder, especially since @1 is very true”
“I take you to be my wedded wife. To have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness or in health, to love and to cherish ’till death do us part, or until you turn into an unfuckable fatty.”
“Yeah, I know. I was just inspired by an earlier commenter who suggested such things be included in one’s wedding vows. That would be fuckin’ hilarious.”
“Wow, one of the commenters on that blog called you a “douchenozzle.” I’ve never heard that one before…I will file it away for future use. Also, my own two cents: Over the course of my short life, I’ve chased chubbies, and I’ve fucked those with eating disorders. Let me tell you, the super-scary-skinny girls are a LOT less attractive than the fatties. I’d rather they have junk in the trunk than no trunk at all. “
“i like when fat gals come up with creative names like “women of size.”"
“Having fat covering your frame is like having car parts and broken kiddy toys covering your lawn. It just looks bad!”
“Watch out Dan, the Fat Mafia is coming for you! I would suggest hiding out in a gym or maybe at an organic food co-op. You know they aren’t going to look for you there!”
“So can we draw a few conclusions from this discussion?
1. Fat activists may have unrealistic ideas about the nature of fatity.
2. People who abaondon their partners because they get fat are, in fact, superficial jerks, and shouldn’t have any problem owning the fact that they are jerks. It can be quite liberating sometimes.”
“I cannot comprehend the level of denial that it takes for someone to believe that turning fat is an uncontrollable disease or a part of your genetic makeup and there’s nothing you can do about it (especially considering that many of the obese had a somewhat normal weight at some point).”
“Pretty much all of these people are about as active as an elderly man. Make it a point to at the absolute lease get up and walk some serious distances several times a day, a few blocks or even a mile or so. You won’t get svelte, but you’ll be surprised at how it helps.”
“Also, lay off the cakes and the salad dressing. Christ. You can still eat meat and some carbohydrates, but the excess sugar and fat of the above will make anyone fat. For people so allegedly helpless to fix their condition, many of them sure do little to help it.”
And that’s ONLY 40 comments down the page, there are 98 total as of now…
Atleast there were a few positive ones, with some good points:
“Hmm… Lets see… so my options are, eat 1200 calories a day and hit the gym for at least an hour a day, for the rest of my life, so that other people will like the way I look. Oooooor I could eat like a normal person, and walk my dog twice a day, and everyone will hate me.
Hmm which is more important to me… what society thinks of me, or not starving myself. Gee. Tough call.
Dan, you can kiss my fat ass.”
(*as someone else pointed out on the comments, if you substitue fat with sex or some other previous taboo, you can see how this is plainly hatred.*)
The internet just provides people to spew hatred without any consequences. It doesn’t matter what they say, they can say whatever they want, it doesn’t matter. They don’t seem to care (or think) that maybe someone might read that who is dealing with problems relative to the subject and it might have a harmful effect on them.
Trust me, if i would’ve read this a few years ago, it would not have made me “seen the light” of how chubby i am. I do actually own a mirror at home and for god’s sake I go to high school!
And, “if you’re fat, you shouldn’t get medicare/medicaid. that’d make ‘em work harder” WTF? Yeah, since not giving any medicare would DEFINITELY improve my health, why not add starving myself too? That proves that the point about “health” is BS.
Don’t even get me started on the whole “or until you turn into an unfuckable fatty” marriage vow. Aren’t people supposed to get married because they love each other completely? Or am I just supposed to go with today’s view of fucking everyone and never finding someone you really love? Maybe i am just a naive 17 year-old who believes marriage is based on something more. Apparently these people don’t grasp the concept that people do age as they get older as well. Though since they are all thin and immortal they won’t ever die anyway, so apparently it won’t ever apply to them. Oh yes, having my future husband tell me he won’t love me when i become an “unfuckable fatty” would be very “fuckin’ hilarious“
“Watch out Dan, the Fat Mafia is coming for you! I would suggest hiding out in a gym or maybe at an organic food co-op. You know they aren’t going to look for you there!”
Okay, serisously? zomg look at teh fat people!! WHAT THEY ARE IN A GYM??? NO WAY!!… This is just fucking ridiculous. I wonder why fat people don’t want to go to gyms, considering there are assholes like these people in them. If people weren’t so judgmental (not to mention hypocritical- oh, you should be healthier, but stay inside your house, you’re so ugly i don’t want me pure eyes to see you and your fat!!) and more accepting, i bet you would see more people at gym, all different sizes. Personally, i would love to go to a gym (fuck if i care if people don’t want to see my fat moving around) but a) i don’t have my drivers license yet-only permit-, and b) gym memberships arn’t cheap and i need to save up for college next year. As for organic food, i would love to eat it! Too bad it’s so damn EXPENSIVE. That stuff isn’t cheap. I love Bear Naked Granola, but it’s almost $6 a bag!
“Fat activists may have unrealistic ideas about the nature of fatity.” That just makes me LAUGH! WE are the ones who don’t have realistic ideas about the “nature of fatity”? I used to just be a miserable fat teenager until i found Curvygirls and body (all bodies, not JUST fat either) positive sites, which eventually did lead me to Fat acceptance sites, and from there i learned more about the science of this stuff, what people don’t tell you, how the media leaves out so much, and how so much of the stuff the media wants to show you is founded by who? the dieting industry.
“lay off the cakes and the salad dressing. Christ. You can still eat meat and some carbohydrates, but the excess sugar and fat of the above will make anyone fat.” ? Seriously…. I don’t even like salad dressing (actually, i HATE it… takes nasty). Hell, let me tell you what else i DON’T like: Soda (any kind, diet, i just hate any soda whatsoever), Ketchup, Mustard, Salad dressings, regular milk, i don’t even use that much syrup. What are the only things i drink? Water, skim milk, diet green tea, orange juice, and occaisionally sweet tea. Oh, but thanks for telling me what you permit me to eat, total stranger, because i don’t have a choice in the matter.
I also noticed how many many times the descriptive of appearance came up “looks” “appears” “fuckable” “don’t like to look at”… what does this tell you? Agian, there goes their health argument. They don’t give a fuck about any fat person health, they just need to look better (because obviously, we are slaves to stranger’s eyes).
This really just makes me hate strangers. It’s so much easier to just ignore their childish and immature and inconsiderate comments. (but i guess my opinion doesn’t matter, since i’m fat!)
And honestly, i don’t care if they find me “fuckable” i wouldn’t want to fuck ‘em anyway.
wow, long post. Sorry, had to let it out…
On the brightside, i like the term “Fat Mafia”… it gives me an idea for a drawing. Maybe i should call this blog the Fat Mafia, it sounds pretty cool actually. I have a right to fight to be treated with at the very least human respect, rather than having my body be an object for you to discuss and tear apart.
I decided i’m going to use some of my artwork whenever i post, it gives something to look at at my artwork can usually relate to the post. Since this post was pretty much showing all “so many assholes in the world would like fat people better if they were thin”, i used this drawing. I guess a lot people would say “the girl in the drawing isn’t REALLY fat”… whatever. If you think that, fine. It was the second drawing i ever did featuring a not stick thin girl, so it really made me happy. If you want a full description, i have it here: http://lovemeformexox.deviantart.com/art/By-how-you-judge-36857988 . Just a warning, my words there are from more than a year and a half ago, so i’d say i’m a LOT more confident in myself, my body, and my message, than i was then.
Reading this wants me to tell the “fat-haters”, who actually decided being a twig is normal? I mean I’ve been fat my whole life and I haven’t had a ton of trouble. Yeah I got picked on in elementary school and lack in the love department, but it hasn’t effected who I’ve become. I lead a fairly average teenage girl life and being big has only made me stronger because I learned how to take the negativity and make it into a joke so that I laugh it off instead of stressing out. Also I’m pretty healthy, I eat normally and drink tons of water. I’ve made the most amazing friends, shared love and just had fun all while being big. I think these insecure twits need to open their eyes and their minds so they can realize the world is changing.
Sorry for kind of ranting, but I just wanted to let you know that I’m similar to you. As in I’m big and happy.
-Joy
By: joyvicious on December 9, 2007
at 10:02 am
“I think these insecure twits need to open their eyes and their minds so they can realize the world is changing.”
If only! blah, ignorant (and jerkish) people who go out of their way to be ignorant (and jerkish) annoy the crap out of me…
^^ woot for teh big and happy! (thanks for the comment btw
)
By: lovemeformexox on December 9, 2007
at 9:47 pm
All the fat women rant and rave about being accepted, which is rather humorous. Fat women are far more accepted in real life than fat men are, though the trend is reversed in the media. Woman in television or movies have to be thin, but the reality is that men are expected to at least not be obese while women are often encourage to be so.
Take a look around you at the vast hordes of BBW sites. Now compare them to the BBM sites. Or, for a more immediate perspective, try looking at all the fat women on DA who post pictures of themselves and find acceptance, and then look at the fat men. You’ll hardly find any of the latter being accepted, let alone desired. I know, I’ve tried it. Does that mean men are more accepting of fat women then they are of fat men, or does it mean that women simply make more restrictive choices about their men? No clue, but it’s something to think about.
This isn’t to put women down, that’s not my point. But I think that in your reverie off mutual acceptance you tend to forget the men who sit around feeling exactly the way you do, but without the support to help them along.
By: Charybdis on December 10, 2007
at 9:10 pm