If you were wondering where I’ve been, I’ve been spending most of my last few days pointlessly arguing with, what turned out to be, just another troll. So if you want something to read, feel free to read all the comments and the conversation (if you can call it that), lord knows it will give you something to do for quite awhile. I have disabled the comments, because there is not much point in me, or any other commentors, continually repeating myself. And if R has a problem with me disabling the comments, he can head on over to my comments policy.
In other news, I havn’t been around much because this week is finals week for us high school seniors, and I have been trying to study. Busybusybusy. Next Friday is graduation and such, so after that I’ll have all summer to do what I want lol. (Though, I do need to find a job, blerg 
). So yeah, much excitement in my world! I am almost done with High school, THANK GOD!
Yes, don’t you know? Anyone that DARES to disagree with you is obviously a troll.
I mean, how dare someone not say that fat women are ever so awesome and not at all unhealthy! Gasp.
By: R on May 29, 2008
at 5:55 pm
Wow, that is all I can say about the link to the other post, for a person claiming to not want a relationship he has created a lot of enemies/negative relationships in those comments.
People like that are the definition of a troll and are not worth anyone’s time. The things that really irk me in general about the fat-hating community is how people always assume that just because you are fat that you are unhealthy and how they think just because they can refer to a BMI scale they are right when they’re not. Like the Big Fat Facts website says the government, media and drug companies are the ones who are winning in the whole “obesity crisis”. All the general public are getting is poorer, more ignorant and creating conflict within themselves and all the others that they profess their false statistics to.
No-one here is saying that being unhealthy is attractive, it’s not. Unhealthy is an word used to describe much more that just being overweight the sooner people realise the distinction between fat and health the sooner we can move from the idiotic connotations imprinted within us about fatness.
Why don’t these people try and find a balanced viewpoint before placing judgment on others? The reason that fatter people are not found to be attractive is because the media have told us that they are not, before people use the believe that other ethnicities were not attractive but the public changed their views and so because the media wanted to continue making money the media changed and so if the public can move on from this fat=ugly mentality then they will force the media to do the same. The media isn’t going to change on it’s own because new ideas for the public are “scary” and “risky” and will not be accepted besides to change what is already making money in the eyes of the media is ridiculous although there are a few companies who are changing and trying to be positive about weight. I’m not saying that this change is going to happen overnight because it won’t but if enough people spread their wider view of beauty then future generations will be more accepting and we will evolve.
Be fat. Be thin. Be anything and everything between the two just be healthy. That’s all I have to say on the matter.
By: Shaz on May 29, 2008
at 5:57 pm
Ya know, Liz, the biggest problem I have with what R is saying is that he would be friends with someone who physically disgusts him, but wouldn’t have a serious relationship with that physically disgusting person. I’m sorry, if I’m physically disgusting to a person, I don’t want them in my life, at all, EVER, not even as a friend (some friendship)! If someone is physically disgusting to you, how the hell can you say you’d be friends with them but not sleep with them? That makes no sense at all to me (and I’m 54, college-educated, fat, and married to a man who loves me as I am and isn’t a fetishist at all).
R has loser written all over him, which is why he’s celibate and not dating.
By: vesta44 on May 29, 2008
at 6:43 pm
Be fat. Be thin. Be anything and everything between the two just be healthy. That’s all I have to say on the matter.
Hear hear.
By: Marshmallow on May 29, 2008
at 8:49 pm
[and good luck with Finals!]
By: Marshmallow on May 29, 2008
at 8:49 pm
Awww, girl, it’s crappy that this guy is getting all up in your brain during finals week! Hope all went well, and while it’s fun to argue just for the sake of arguing sometimes, don’t let it get ya. You’re quite obviously very intelligent, and that’s gonna get you far in life, trolls or no trolls.
Are you as excited for summer as I am!!?? Can I get a woot woot?
By: the delish on May 30, 2008
at 12:17 am
Ha ha, I can’t believe he was first to comment on this post, too! I got busy after I left my previous comments, or I would have helped with the “discussion” a little more.
On the other hand, he seems like the type with endless energy for arguing, so there’s a point where it’s, well, pointless.
By the way, in case there’s any misconception about “how long I’ve been around”, I’m thirty-seven. And in a very nice love relationship with a great dude. We’re both PhDs. So schner.
By: Elizabeth Twist on May 30, 2008
at 1:34 am
Does “R” stand for Rick? Geez, are you STILL at it? Does getting your ass kicked at various fat acceptance blog get you aroused or something?
By: Sarah on May 30, 2008
at 1:50 am
Elizabeth, considered yourself “rick-rolled.” LOL.
By: Sarah on May 30, 2008
at 1:52 am
Hi Liz, first things first, it’s the first time i comment on your blog, but not the first time i read it. I found it the other day while browsing the internet, and i stumbled upon your great blog ^^!
Ok so…i wanted to say that i don’t agree with that R person, but i wanted to add something else. So quoting you:
–You do not owe attractiveness to anyone. You just don’t. It’s not your duty as a human to be attractive. This is were standards come in again, what is attractive?–
Well, you are right. It’s not a duty to be attractive just to attract people. Moreover, it’s not your duty to be like everyone else just so certain people find you hot and what not.
But it is like something we like to do, to make ourselves feel pretty by dressing up cute/sexy for the man we love, or a special event. It’s normal. So that about makes up for everything else.
What i mean is that, fatty people may be considered disgusting by some people (but not everyone, definitely), and while no one owes attractiveness to anyone, we know how to dress up and look good when it matters right? So we also know that if we love someone and we like them to feel moved by looking at us, or just showing them our love by dressing different specially for them…well, we DO right?
It’s just the same.
And, who says you are not attractive? To me, you are, for example. But some people won’t see beauty on bigger sizes, and it’s sad.
Yes, physic is very important, but being different doesn’t mean you won’t find anyone , because there are different tastes about men and women, and not everyone loves the standards only.
Finally, i will quote a sentence from a (male) friend: “Because, you know, i’m not just a perfect-sizes-women lover”
:3 As long as you are healthy, the rest doesn’t matter.
By: Janna on May 30, 2008
at 8:19 am
I don’t know, it’s a big world… maybe he does get turned on by trolling, just like how some people get turned on by seeing women sneeze on the subway.
Good luck on finals and finding a job!
By: 32-P on May 30, 2008
at 2:07 pm
Yes, don’t you know? Anyone that DARES to disagree with you is obviously a troll.
I mean, how dare someone not say that fat women are ever so awesome and not at all unhealthy! Gasp.
Oh yes, you obviously aren’t using tones with anyone here…
and WOW, your comebacks are GREAT! (I totally called it that he would say something -and be the first to comment- about how I am wrong for closing comments and calling him a troll! Totally. called. it.)
You know what? I made a post to discuss your comment, to talk about it. I didn’t just throw it out the window and deleted it like I probably should have. A troll is someone who pretty much stalks someone else’s blog saying negative things about the person and just goes out of their way to disagree. You obvious did even listen to what we were saying, as your replies showed, and you only repeated the same thing over and over again. You, sir, are a troll.
Does it matter that you don’t share my opinions? No, but this my blog, and, quite frankly, I can do what I want with it. You don’t go off to other people’s blogs to push your opinions on them. I listened to what you were saying and said my thoughts, but you just kept on coming back, saying the same thing over and over again. If you want to talk about how great it is not having a relationship, how physical attraction is all that matters, how standards are there because everyone is attracted to those standards, how fat people are unhealthy and lazy and blahblahblah? Go find a blog that agrees with that crap. I would never go to one of those blogs and rant about the opposite, I would just leave them alone and blog to myself.
You did not consider what others were trying to say, and most of what you said was based on assumptions, which is what the WHOLE post was made about (and titled!).
Do you honestly think I give a shit if someone like you thinks I am “not awesome”. I don’t care. But when you go out of your way to tell me that, i’m going to care. As I said to a previous troll who complain of me “putting my fat ass in her face”- I am not putting my fat ass in your face, you are putting you face in my fat ass, and I would like you to get out it.
I believe what most fat people here want is respect. We are people you know (or apparently you don’t). If you aren’t sexually attracted, fine. But you don’t have to go out of your way to say it.
And I guess you think the whole “how dare someone not say that fat women are ever so awesome and not at all unhealthy!” is truely original. Actually, I believe fat people hear this 24/7, so it really isn’t nothing new. That’s why we have blogs, to have a place where we don’t have to put up with the same old shit all the time we hear from ignorant assholes like you. Enjoy being spam.
But it is like something we like to do, to make ourselves feel pretty by dressing up cute/sexy for the man we love, or a special event. It’s normal. So that about makes up for everything else…So we also know that if we love someone and we like them to feel moved by looking at us, or just showing them our love by dressing different specially for them…well, we DO right?
Oh, I’m not disagreeing with that at all. Don’t get me wrong, I love dressing up. I love to wear clothes I look good in. If I didn’t have to get up so early for school I would probably do something better with my hair and maybe a little makeup (personally I’m not a big fan, but a little powder and some mascara are fine and easy.. I hate feeling like I am wearing a mask), but getting up at 6, and only having 20 minutes to get ready, is too early for me. I’m not saying it’s “bad” to be pretty. I think it can be very self empowering. There are probably some people who would go for the grunge look way more than the “fancy” look, or what have you. Again, what is physically attractive is a mulitlayered issue. It’s different for each person.
And if I had a boyfriend, I would love to dress up for him. Why? Because if I love him I would enjoying doing things to make him happy, just as he should enjoy doing thing to make me happy. That’s why it’s a relationship.
I was simply arguing that physical appearance is not everything in a relationship (and like you said, you don’t owe it to anyone). If you don’t care for that, that’s fine, and if you like to dress up and wear makeup, that’s fine too.
Be fat. Be thin. Be anything and everything between the two just be healthy. That’s all I have to say on the matter.
Thirded
I’m sorry, if I’m physically disgusting to a person, I don’t want them in my life, at all, EVER, not even as a friend (some friendship)! If someone is physically disgusting to you, how the hell can you say you’d be friends with them but not sleep with them?
I didn’t think of it that way, but I really agree with that. Who would want to be friends with someone who places so much worth just on physical appearance. Crappy friend, I’d say.
Are you as excited for summer as I am!!?? Can I get a woot woot?
omg… WOOT WOOT WOOT! lol
On the other hand, he seems like the type with endless energy for arguing, so there’s a point where it’s, well, pointless.
Yeah, that was another reason I closed comments. I knew it would never end and he would never leave unless I stopped (and I knew that if I stopped he would STILL find some way to make himself in the right and make me seem judgmental and unreasonable)
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And thanks for all the luck on finals gals!
I think I used it all up on my Calculus exam. Blarg.
But they are OVER. DONE. FINETO! wooot! I can’t believe that I am, pretty much, DONE with high school. Thank the lord! Get me out o’ here and put me in big scary college already!
By: lovemeformexox on May 30, 2008
at 3:18 pm
It sucks, but maybe you should start screening comments, Liz.
By: ladyjaye75 on May 30, 2008
at 4:14 pm
Robert, you sly dog—women obviously are worth your time and effort…How much time and energy have you spent posting on this blog?
By: SM on May 30, 2008
at 7:19 pm
Allow me to roll my eyes.
Go right ahead! After all, you already are able to do pretty much whatever you please (with all your money, free time, privacy, etc.). Oops, there is one thing you can’t seem to do: Stop replying to comments on this blog. It’s kinda cute, actually—you’re very attentive, answering every comment individually!
By: SM on May 30, 2008
at 11:18 pm
Quick, someone bark a few dozen orders at Robbie and steal his credit card number!
By: SM on May 31, 2008
at 12:38 am
I think we’ve officially progressed from “beating a dead horse” to “tap dancing on its carcass until our feet get sticky.”
Lizzie, you are made of win. Especially for maintaining a level head and a civil tone throughout all the bullshit. I think my head would have asploded a LONG time ago.
Be sure to post graduation pictures!
By: Marste on May 31, 2008
at 1:54 am
It sucks, but maybe you should start screening comments, Liz.
As of now all comments must be moderated. I thought I did have it set to that, but apparently if you comment once and I approve it you can comment again, and sadly, I did approve his initial comment. But I changed it so I moderate everything. (Thanks for getting me to look into that!).
Robert, you sly dog—women obviously are worth your time and effort…How much time and energy have you spent posting on this blog? Oops, there is one thing you can’t seem to do: Stop replying to comments on this blog.
So. Friggin’. True. lol
Quick, someone bark a few dozen orders at Robbie and steal his credit card number!
XD LOL.. Seriously, I could not stop laughing after I read this.
I think we’ve officially progressed from “beating a dead horse” to “tap dancing on its carcass until our feet get sticky.”
lol, I think I felt that way after I replied for the third time, after that I was just rehashing his same points over and over again. I saw he left another long comment on this post, and I just deleted it. I don’t feel like bothering with him anymore.
Lizzie, you are made of win. Especially for maintaining a level head and a civil tone throughout all the bullshit. I think my head would have asploded a LONG time ago.
yay! Being made of win is my goal in life! lol! I’m actually surprised that I didn’t flip out on him. I think I figured that if I did he would just turn it around and make himself the better person or something. Trust me, I really wanted to. All my friends at school were discussing it and they got pissed off about it and couldn’t stand the guy.
Be sure to post graduation pictures!
By: lovemeformexox on May 31, 2008
at 12:38 pm
Quote of the Month.
By: spacedcowgirl on June 4, 2008
at 11:15 am