Posted by: Lizzie | September 22, 2008

Fat and Science

So I have to say, this school is really not fat positive in the least.

And it’s really pissing me off.

It’s probably not just my school, it just seems that in Anatomy in general, fat is BAD.. OOGIE BOOGIE! I am so over my teacher insinuating that ‘we all know we hate it’ type of mentality. 

And, oh how happy this makes me, in Anatomy Lab we are going to be using skin fold calipers to figure out how much ‘non essential’ fat we have. And then we get to use some random equation to calculate what percent body fat we have! YAY! I’m so fucking happy that I might die of happiness! Or maybe die of obesity, since it kills all those zillions of people every day.

Do you want to know the random equation we are given to determine our % norms?

Females: % body fat = (0.55 x triceps skin fold in mm) + (0.31 x subscapular skin fold in mm) + 6.13

How did they make this equation? Hell if i know. It doesn’t say anywhere near that table.

And the best part? You know what the categories are for percent body fat? You’re either an “Olympic Sprinter” “Acceptable” or “Obese”… oh gee, I’m glad that normal people are “acceptable”. It just sounds like “Well, I guess you’re okay, you’re acceptable”, like as thought it isn’t good enough, just acceptable.

Shall I quote what the lab book says about Obese individuals?

Body Fat is an important indicator of health. Obese individuals are at increased risk for heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer, and osteoarthritis. Therefore, it is important to have reliable methods of determining the percent body fat. Procedures for determining body composition include: hydrostatic (underwater) weighing, measurement of subcutaneous fat folds, bioelectric impedance analysis, ultrasound, computerized tomography, magnetic resonance imaging, and dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA).  

and it just gets better:

PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH TOO MUCH ADIPOSE TISSUE. It is estimated that a third of all Americans are overweight. Obesity can occur as a result of an increase in fat cell size, number, or both. Fat cells increase in number during childhood. In the adult, the number of cells becomes fixed, and they increase only in size (except in extreme obesity). Severely obese individuals have been shown to have three times as many fat cells than lean people. Weight loss results in a decrease in the size of fat cells; not in the number, so it is important to prevent the initial development of fat cells during childhood and youth. Fat accumulation in the abdominal area (an “apple” physique) poses greater health risks than fat deposits in the hips and thighs (“pear” physique).

Seriously. I. hate. this. 

Do you know how often I keep wishing I was just thin and like everyone else and not feeling personally attacked whenever I hear this shit? Pretty much daily. I wish I was just ignorant of everything of the fatosphere so I wouldn’t feel like I’m learning a bunch of bullshit. And what really annoys me is that I won’t confront my teacher. I know I’m won’t. Even if I did it wouldn’t matter, she would be the one with science backing her. I’d just sound like a vengeful fattie who doesn’t want to hear the truth. 

And am I the only one who thinks measuring you fat in lab is a waste of my goddamn time? I know I’m obese, thank you, as if anyone in the class didn’t know what they were classified as, seeing as every time you go to the doctor or for school you are weighed and measured and told if you are a “normal” (or in this case, “acceptable”) or in great shape! I would also think have people pinch your arm and back fat might be triggering for some people. If I weren’t blogging here today and reading other fat blogs it would be hella triggering for me, not to mention embarrassing.

All I hear about around here is how people think they are so fucking fat. Or hearing the guys say that all the girls here are “just whales anyway”. Or the one girl that is pretty much one of my friends engage in shame for eating, or that she needs to burn away what she just ate, or that since she exercised she is ‘allowed’ to eat. Every time she says something like that, I ask her “Are you hungry?” I tell her if she isn’t hungry, don’t eat it, but if she is, then eat. I was talking to another girl, and her view seemed to be a little more positive, but more along the lines of “everyone would want to change something about themselves”. I pretty much said that no, I don’t want to change anything about myself, and I think that kind of attitude is unhealthy. The girl in the dorm next to me, well, all i hear her screaming about if “I FEEL SO FUCKING FAT RIGHT NOW” and she’s fucking thin. I HATE this environment. hatehatehatehatehatehate it. 

I know this is probably true of every college (though I did notice at Cedar Crest that one girl had done a presentation about how fat women are shown on TV, which made me happy that there was at least a hint of FA there)

Anyway, bottom line is I just hate feeling like I can’t do anything about the science stuff. Not to mention the fact that I am probably the only one who knows about FA and how a lot of that stuff is BS. I guess just the fact that my professor believes in it makes me feel like I am wrong. I mean, come on, the professor knows what she’s talking about, how could she be wrong about this? The other half me just thinks, How could she believe this? And I just think how much I fucking hate how fatphopic the world is. UGH.

Thinking about it just makes me pissed off. And the fact that I have no idea what to do about it other than to just bear it, remembering my beliefs and the real facts about it (though then I just think that if they were real facts than why the fuck doesn’t anyone else know them?)…. ugh.. Again, I wish I were just ignorant and thin the way I should be. But I’m not, so that doesn’t really do me any fucking good.

I guess the best I can muster out of all this is that when I become a nurse I’ll know better, and won’t judge people on their weight (or be an ignorant ass about the issue), and know that I’m right. But that’s the best I can do.

This deserves another “ugh..”


Responses

  1. Actually, she doesn’t have science backing her. For some really interesting facts concerning the science behind obesity, check out “The Obesity Myth” by Paul Campos. It’ll rock your world.

  2. Oh FFS. No wonder you’re being driven completely batty, just reading all of that drivel shot my blood pressure through the roof (more than being fat ever did!)

    I know that I’d probably not do anything either – she’s got the science and the textbookz and heck, the title of ‘professor’! Most of mainstream haven’t even heard of the fat acceptance movement, and principles like intuitive eating and health at every size are laughable (because, you know, fat people can never be healthy. *sigh*)

    I, alongside you, say, ‘ugh.’

  3. I can’t believe that a college, which is already a breeding ground for eating disorders, would do skin fold measures in class. Unfortunately, everything else seems pretty common. My freshman year, there was a girl on the hall who was bulimic. More than once I walked into the bathroom late at night and heard her.

  4. Just keep reading Sandy’s blog, Junkfood Science. She’s a nurse, and she knows how fat is not the killer it’s made out to be. She has the articles and the links that debunk a lot of the shit you’re hearing at school. It takes forever to change anything that’s being taught in any school, and when it goes counter to “what everyone knows”, it’s even harder to get the truth out there. So anytime you’re feeling like what you’re being taught about fat is right, just go read Sandy’s writings. It’ll give you reinforcement, whether you confront your teacher or not. YOU will know, and that’s what matters most right now.

  5. “a lot of that stuff is BS…”

    Science is not BS, actually. FA only wants you to think it is to further their agenda. But every movement twists science around to fit and support their ideologies.

    Having said that, I don’t believe you should be treated badly because your have extra weight, just as I think it’s deplorable to treat someone badly because of their social class, etc. You are a very pretty young lady with a lot to offer. Beauty (inside or out) is beauty regardless of size, class, color, etc. It’s terrible that your professor is making you measure each other’s body fat in class. That’s plain humilitating. Even though it’s something you ought to learn to do, at least your prof could let you learn and try it privately. That kind of humilitation (i.e., measuring fat in front of everyone, weighing people in gym class, etc.) is what made elementary school a hell hole for me. Although I’m “acceptable” now, I’ll always remember what it was like to be the fattest girl from first through sixth grade.

  6. Hi, first time posting, but I’ve been reading here and there for awhile, and I just wanted to respond to when Marshmallow said “she’s got the science and the textbook..” and your comment “I can’t do anything about the science stuff.” Yes, you can. Whether it’s keeping it in mind to yourself, or challenging your instructors biases, science is your friend.

    Your proff doesn’t necessarily have the science. If you feel up to doing so, start with asking your professor about the calculation. I mean, you are doing a whole lab using it! They should be able to explain the reasoning behind it. (I say this as a college biology instructor) Your professor should be able to explain what those values mean, and reference the people who came up with it. My guess is you will probably find out it is something like some dude doctor forty years ago measured three womens’ body fat and came up with some asnine percentage that really doesn’t have any empirical data to back it up. (Kind of like the BMI tables)

    One of the interesting things about college is sometimes you will discover the proff doesn’t always know what they are talking about.

    Regarding the attitudes on campus, I think also fat sometimes is a scapegoat for feeling out of control. Have you read Courtney Martin’s book “Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters?” When you hear your skinny neighbor yelling “I feel so fucking fat right now!” She may be saying, “I feel out of control, over-whelmed, awkward and really self-conscious” It sucks that she projects that on to feeling “fat”, but you can’t help but feel sorry for the girl, really.

    Oy that was a long first post! Sorry.

  7. She blinded me! With Science! *hahaha!* (this is a reference to Thomas Dolby’s ‘She Blinded Me With Science’ – an 80’s icon. I am ancient, remember? *hahaha!*)

    Here, go read what this guy’s writing…he’s ALL science, man.
    http://intuitiveeating.com.au/

    This might cheer you up:
    http://jezebel.com/

    And don’t forget this:
    http://www.amazon.com/Obesity-Myth-Americas-Obsession-Hazardous/dp/1592400663/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222198570&sr=8-5

    Science. Hmmph. Whatev. It is disturbing to read about a college perpetuating a bunch of crap but it isn’t as if they haven’t done it before. When my mom was in college, they just skipped the f*%king calipers altogether and wrote out a prescription for amphetamines and yessirree bob that did the trick. All you had to do was ask your doctor.

    You seem like such a positive individual ~ don’t let these people get you down! They don’t know any better, most of them.

    And something else you could consider doing, if you really want to start swinging the balance, is write to your dean about the antiquated methods (calipers in class! yikes!) and over-emphasis on thin equalling “healthy”, and cite some things that Dan’s pointed out, or that you personally know through your study of the ‘fatosphere’. Seriously, in a college environment, that would be effective.
    A well-researched, thoughtful, intelligently-written letter. And you can add in how being weighed, calipered, and BMI’d IN CLASS is also potentially triggering to people with eating disorders.

    Please believe me: the “real world” is so much better in so many ways…you’ll get there….

  8. Humph! Stuff like this pisses me off.

    Okay, class: this basic test will determine your worthasaperson, oops, I mean, wether or not you’re an “athlete” or just “acceptable.”

    Anyway, if you do change your mind and want to talk to her about it, instead of challenging her train of thought (which some people can be real shit peices about) suggest a book on the science you believe, and ask her if she’s ever heard of it. If she says no, simply suggest it and move on. If she’s worth her salt as a teacher, she should at least check it out.

    But if not, that makes perfect sense too. I’d say you’re already doing enough to quell the smallersizepushbullshit.

    PS-call me Almira. I like your blog.

  9. You poor thing…I found this blog through others that link to it, but something about my comments has offended you and you’ve deleted my replies. Perhaps you don’t enjoy Dan’s blog, the Jezebel site, or don’t care to read “The Obesity Myth”.

    This affects me not at all. *hahahaha!* It affects the way I think of you as a ‘blogger’ though. I don’t blame you for your insecurity since you are not actually mature yet. As I said before, youll get there.
    * ; )
    best of luck!

  10. @Hope505, she approves comments as they appear, so it’s not that she deleted your replies (there’s one of yours above)…

  11. …I do not have words for how angry this makes me. Your teacher, and the textbook, and everyone else, is/are being ridiculous!!!

    All of those health risks are either a) total bullshit or b) non-conclusive anyway. You should totally read “Fat!So?”, the author goes into a lot of that there and did a ton of medical research on her own for it.

    I’m so sorry that you have to put up with that. Really the only thing I can suggest, other than sticking up for yourself, is to skip class on the day she makes you measure your folds (not that I encourage class-skipping, but hell, I think it’d be worth it on that day). The fact that she’s making everyone do that is CRUEL and UNECESSARY. She is basically making each of you forego judgement of your own body, your very self, by your classmates, her, and yourself too. You do NOT have to put up with that bullshit!

    Ugh. Just…ugh.

  12. I think that there is some pretty strong evidence for the other side as well. I mean how do fat cells make you die of disease? If all fat is in fat cells (yes) then how do these cells cause diseases such as heart disease etc. If know one can tell you (which they cant because no one knows) then that is because being fat does not in and of itself make you unhealthy because thats like saying fat cells are unhealthy. This of course is ludicrous because fat cells have been around since the dawn of animals (longer than humans) and have evolved to store fat and why would they be unhealthy to an organism when they obviously play such an important role. I think the real problem is people eating crappy food or not exercising. However, if you eat good food and exercise you can still be fat.

    On the topic of your professor. They are not gods. When I first started uni I thought like you do and thought wow these guys know everything. But I just graduated (yesterday) with my PhD in Biological Sciences and now I realise that professors are human and have their own opinions just like everyone else. I have my opinion that fat is unhealthy and so I have found evidence to support that. She thinks fat is unhealthy and she has found evidence to support that. Have faith in your convictions, look at the argument from both sides, make your decision and believe it.

  13. Hey girly,

    Just wanted to let you know your not alone in this. Most colleges require a personal health or health ed class your freshman year and i had a similar experience with eh “calipers o death” but my class only had cheerleaders and basketball boys. joy! Short story= assignment use the tools provided and answer the questionnaire truthfully and then add i all up and see where you stand. This is the best part and Im not jokin I laughed my butt off ( and i had a fairly large butt back then too). I didn’t even rank on the test bc i was SOOO bad off that according to the chart. I should’ve been dead. …. I wasn’t normal or obese or morbidly obese ( i don’t think they had that term back then) NO i was basically DOA ( Dead on arrival ). So after that hour long embarrassing poking prodding and answering truthfully. I wrote my total as DOA and walked out the door. I never went back.

    Hun, there is, despite everyone telling you different, always going to be fat hate and fat bashing and embarrassing moments. What you have to do is not focus on then. Let them roll off and just go. Well ok, that sucked but is that REALLY going to effect my immediate or not so immediate future in my life? Is being thrown into the “fat box” All that bigga deal? Personally id rather be in the fat box bc of several reasons.. You will ALWAYS have company. Bc fat will exist it just IS. and 2nd. Id rather be fat than bitchy or hateful or something that will come back and slap me on the face 2 years later when i need to cross that bridge again. BC trust me, the meanest most hateful bitches i have ever met, needed me for something in my life and i was able to smile, flip them off, and be on my merry way later.

    I really hope things go better for you bc id hate for your first year to be horrible just bc of fat experiences. Focus on the good times, the peaceful moments you have and equate those to your life. You are still fat along with those happy moments so those are fat experiences too! Remember that when your laughing or just sighing from contentment you can be fat and happy. Lots of hugs and best wishes.


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